Ned: In terms of instant relief, canceling plans is like heroin.
Daenerys: The more you do stuff, the better you get at dealing with how you still fail at it a lot of the time.
Sansa: Part of me was like, whatever, you know. You know those days when you’re like… this might as well happen?
Arya: Because it’s the one thing you can’t replace.
Bran: I am very small, and I have no money. You can imagine the kind of stress I’m under.
Robert: I’m either having a drink or I have to pee. You’re living the golden years, kid, not me.
Joffrey: IN FACT, WE’RE GONNA FRAME YOU FOR MURDER, AND YOU’RE GONNA GO TO JAIL FOR 30 YEARS.
Catelyn: It’s a grid system, motherfucker. Where you at – 24th and 5th? Where you wanna go – 35th and 6th? Eleven up and one over ya simple bitch.
Petyr: And I said ‘no’. You know, like a liar.
Tyrion: I quit drinking cause I used to drink too much, and then I would black out, and I would “ruin parties” or so I’m told.
Jaime: I also don’t want me to be doing what I’m doing.
Cersei: Eat ass, suck a dick, and sell drugs.
Davos: It is so much easier not to do things than to do them.
Stannis: We were at Lion King on Broadway and there was a five year old behind us going, “Look it’s Pumbaa! Look its Timon!” and my dad turned around and said, “Are you going to talk the entire time?”
Renly: I’m really sorry about last night, it’s just that I’m mean and loud.
Asha: *smashes a 40* SCATTER
Theon: I don’t look older. I just look worse.
Sam: Some people give off a vibe like right away they’re like “don’t fuck with me.” My vibe is more like “hey you could pour hot soup in my lap and I’d probably apologize to you.”
Robb: Oh, yes, and what a mighty king I will be, eating dinner at 4:45 in the afternoon.
Sandor: So my dad pulled up to the drive thru window and ordered a black coffee. The one thing no kid can ever enjoy.
Brienne: Thirteen-year-olds are the meanest people in the world. They terrify me to this day.
Margaery: I think Emily Dickinson’s a lesbian.
Loras: Well… you know how I’m filled with rage? I’m so horny and angry all the time… and I have no outlet for it.
Ygritte: Anyone who’s seen me naked and met my parents has to die. I can’t have them running around.
Arianne: I like to lean in and go “stop snitchin’ motherfucker” and walk off.
Jon Connington: I’ll keep all my feelings right here and one day I’ll die.
Aeron: Something happened here. You hope it was a miracle. Probably not.
Euron: This is an on-fire garbage can.
Victarion: Sometimes babies will point at me, and I don’t care for that shit at all.
Melisandre: If it’s a true or false question, you should be able to add a third option, which is… “Who’s to say?”
Jon Snow: The best thing about that was that after that, cars were pulling up and looking over to see who just did that piece of shit move, expecting to see like a 100-year-old blind dog who’s texting while driving and drinking a smoothie, instead they see a 28-year-old healthy man trying his best.
What are the Targaryens without their dragons? Nothing. Viserys and Daenerys were pariahs. Dany only got into the game once her dragons came about. Apart from dragons, the Targaryens are only known for being cruel. Just a thought.
And yet I fail to see how having some bad rulers (as every other family in Westeros has) and many good rulers as well makes the Targaryens “nothing” without their dragons. It always bemuses me when I see Jonsas attacking Targaryens when half of your ship is a Targaryen. Yes, Jon Snow is Aegon Targaryen, is he “nothing” as well? Or are you going to tell me that Jon’s a Stark only (despite his speech to Theon indicating that you don’t have to choose which I’m sure the directors included for a reason last season). If Jonsa happens, their children will be Targaryens so it really confuses me why so many people blindly hate them. The Robert propaganda is very real when I see people labeling an entire family off the actions of a few.
Actually when you check the roster you’ll find there was 4 decent rulers in the few hundred years they ruled and the rest had war, famine, murder, scandal and faith uprisings.
But go off
@faithseedling I noticed you can’t provide any receipts or even list which rulers you’re referring to as I did. There were way more than 4 “decent rulers” 🙄. The Targaryens stabilized Westeros from a country of feuding, warring independent Kingdoms into a united one, they founded the Iron Throne, constructed Kings Landing, built roads and improved infrastructure, created a unified code of law, built up trade with Essos to make Westeros more prosperous, etc. Oh, and I bet you think none of the other Great Houses had feuds, murder, scandals, etc. just the Targaryens right? Me and OP already came to an understanding but of course you just had to put in your 2 cents, right? Come with facts or don’t come at all.
Woow. I cannot believe the reach here. Google is a thing btw.
Anyway I know for a fact that other houses have their problems, it’s just common sense. But when your ruling party is, in order:
– Conquerer. Aegon. Thousands died so he could be king.
– Weak, faced multiple rebellions and a religious faith uprising. Fled to Dragon Stone until death. Aenys l…hated and despited for being weak. Thousands died in rebellion and war.
– Maegor the Cruel- do I need to explain? Thousands died.
– the first decent ruler – Jaeherys. Managed to wage peace in the realm, after Maegor burnt and brutalised.
– Viserys I – adequate ruler. Contiuned Jarheerys rule.
– The Greens and Blacks – Viserys heirs battling it out. Aka The Dance of Dragons – Hundreds of Thousands killed.
-Aegon lll – He took over and the dragons died. Known as weak. Not a bad ruler.
-Daeron I -Wanted to finish what Argon I started. Battle Of Dorne. Another Conquerer. Until Dorne rebelled again. Died because he was an idiot who wanted more power.
– Baelor… Dude locked his on female family away to ‘preserve their innocence’. Was a peaceful man, but died fasting for 40 days… Because he’s totally sane.
– Viserys ll. Good king, for a year…
-Aegon IV dude screwed around and gave birth to the next big Targaryen issue. Also legitimised all his bastards.
– Daeron II – Helped megre dorne into westeros. Blackfyre rebellion number 1. Thousands dead. The great spring sickness, basically the black plague.
-thus comes the second blackfyre rebellion. Daemon is back. It was stopped fairly quickly.
– Aegon V dude spent most of his time in battle. Though as far as we know about him he wasn’t evil, he was a decent king, wanted to help smallfolk, ended up killing more due to rebellion. Died in some unknown incident involving dragon eggs and fire magic… Many thousands died due to the constant fighting
– Jaeharys, well Barristan Selmy did. Many more dead, in the fightungesd by a (you guessed it, Blackfyre) Ended the male Blackfyre line.
-And now we come to Aerys madness…. Viserys cruelty and finally Daenerys conquerer.
Basically what I’m saying is, there was only a few Targaryens that managed to keep some peace. The rest was war, war, war, rebellion, cruelty war, religious nut…
I haven’t even included the Targaryens who didn’t get the crown, as far as madness goes…yikes.
But no please tell me how great house Targaryen has always been, and how they stabilised Westeros… It seems as far as it goes they cause majority of the wars..hmmm
‘they brought roads’ did they though? We know Jaeherys built a few major roads, but many existed before.
The ones we believe he built were: This most likely includes, the Kingsroad, the Roseroad, the Goldroad, the Causeway, the River road and the Rosby road.
Which sure cool, but many roads still exists long before then so IDK man.
Also as for trade with Essos, yes they did create that, but Westeros was going for centuries without it, so it’s like ‘hey kids here’s a new shiny fruit which won’t change anything in your life’.
Also yes there was war between the seven kingdoms, but at least they weren’t being dragged into family squabbles with DRAGONS roasting them… I’d rather 2000 men fight each other than 1000 men and 2 dragons… Guess which one will cause more damage?
But please tell me how great they’ve been compared.
The problem with Targ haters like you is that you see every Targ flaw as “MAD” but in non-Targaryens you’re silent. (HYPOCRISY ALERT)
Stannis isn’t called the MAD KING for burning his daughter at the stake all because of some witch’s prophesy, Cersei isn’t called the MAD QUEEN because she blew up the Sept and killed hundreds of nobles. It’s all about perspective. You’ve got it in your head that all Targaryens are mad and you look for any little thing to point to as evidence. This is clear from your refusal to even call the just and fair rulers “good”, instead all you can muster is “decent”.
The good news is that GRRM isn’t nearly as biased as many of his so-called fans and I look forward to seeing what happens with the latest generation of Targaryens: Dany and Jon Snow, who are clearly the main protagonists of the story and instrumental in the battle against the Night King and the Army of the Dead.
Oh and nothing I said was a reach, it was all through careful research but because it goes against your “mad Targ” narrative I guess that didn’t sit well with you. According to you, Westeros was a fairy land before the Targs came, yet GRRM’s history tells us otherwise. And it really doesn’t matter if you would prefer that dragons didn’t exist. I’m pretty sure Westeros is breathing a sigh of relief knowing that they have dragons to protect them and fight against the Night King.
When did I say any of this?
I’m honestly amazed that you’ve managed to create a whole argument out of things that I’ve never said or implied… Yikes
Cersei is absolutely considered the Mad Queen, I’m honestly not sure where you got the idea she wasn’t.
And Stannis is universally consider awful. He’s not considered Mad because his intentions (however vile the act) were correct. At the end of the day if he hadn’t done that, Jon would remain dead and the war would be lost. His sacrifice is not out of madness, we as an audience believe it was one of the most shocking and vile scenes, however, we can see the intention was not malicious. So don’t get me started on a rant about how not everything is evil or malicious.
They are decent rulers the ones mentioned, because they never did anything to actually better Westeros. Those I called good did. I figured that was kinda logical, but apparently…
You lost me at the ‘Jon and Dany are the protagonist’ because last I checked GRRM himself said they’re only 10% of the story, doesn’t sound like they’re THE main characters, more like they’re part of a cast of main characters.
Gonna finish with this, can you actually read? Like I literally never said any of the shit you claim I did and yet your ranting on at me for simply providing evidence of the Targaryens only have three good rulers (two if you consider one only ruled a year) and the others either did nothing of value, or waged war.
The fact of the matter is, what I said was, perhaps Westeros wasn’t perfect and there absolutely was problems, but since the Targaryens reign the only war has been the ones they created for their own power… That isn’t a good dynasty, that isn’t a good recommendation for them.
Here’s my final review of the Targaryen dynasty:
‘Yeah I mean there were countless rebellions and the major wars we’re all cause by their own family. The few good ones are massively out weighed by the constant war, the murdering among family. The rebellion that over threw them was right and just Their entire reign started with War and ended with War.’
P.s. y’all know the dragons are gonna die right? Like they can’t hurt the Night King, because here’s a plot twist the Night King doesn’t burn. The dragons will be used to keep the hoards at Bay, until they’re shot out the sky or fighting their brother… So I’m not sure that eating farm animals and burning children (yes they did happen remember) is really a great consolation because ‘hey they did a good for a whole five minutes’.
Wow imagine thinking the dragons are gonna survive this. The giant flying animal that burns things alive and eats children. In the spring .
And there was this comment GRRM made about why the 7K is so weak:
“Q: Why do you think the political institutions in the Seven Kingdoms are so weak?
GRRM: the Kingdom was unified with dragons, so the Targaryen’s flaw was to create an absolute monarchy highly dependent on them, with the small council not designed to be a real check and balance. So, without dragons it took a sneeze, a wildly incompetent and megalomaniac king, a love struck prince, a brutal civil war, a dissolute king that didn’t really know what to do with the throne and then chaos.”
Ugh, I kinda wanna jump into this, but on the other hand, I am so so tired of arguing with D-stans—it’s seriously easier to reason with my 4 y/o. But … hold my beer!
WE ARE VERY WELL AWARE THAT JON IS A TARGARYEN — but guess what he is that all of his inbred, white-haired, purple-eyed relatives were/are not? A STARK. That’s right, his gene pool has (thankfully) been watered down. But that’s not even the point ….
For all of you who think that Jon and Dany are the saviors of Westeros and will rule the seven kingdoms peacefully — I’ve got some charming waterfront property I’d like to sell you…
“Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin”
Jon and Dany aren’t having a parallel journey my dears — they are LEGIT literary FOILS. Google it ffs. You know who Dany parallels with quite frequently? This ugly mofo …
GRRM loves to subvert our expectations, which probably means whatever you are expecting to happen, likely won’t.
For instance, I’m willing to bet that Dany’s dragons won’t have anything to do with taking out the NK. But see, D&D painted this pretty picture of the dragons annihilating all those wights on that stupid travesty of a wight hunt in s7 — why? Because they love to trick all of our dumbasses so they can sit back and laugh at how “clever” they are.
But see, in that very same episode (if y’all weren’t too razzle-dazzled by the dragon pyro-works and were actually paying attention) they also showed us that the NK and his generals (all of Gilly’s baby brothers) are impervious to fire. They walked right through that shit. You know what it also showed us? That if you take out a General, all the wights he turned “die”.
Hmmm I wonder what happens if you take out JUST the NK? I bet his entire army just goes *POOF*.
Everyone expects Jon or Dany (or both) to take out the NK… but guess who’s probably gonna be the one who actually does? Whether by elimination or treating: BRAN. Remember him? Everyone’s been sleeping on that Stark kid when (by Magic’s standards) he’s one of the most important players here. I mean, if D&D wanted to pull off all these major plot twists and wanted us to all believe it would be the dynamic Targ duo that saves the day, they’ve certainly gone about it in the right way, with shoving Bran cleverly in the background all this time.
Speaking of Bran—let’s talk about those visions he had of the NK, and a dragon flying over a smoking King’s Landing. Of the NK turning Gilly’s baby brothers, and of Dany’s dragons being born (oops, there go those parallels I was talking about) …of King Aerys yelling “burn them all” and all those casks of wild fire underneath the capital.
King’s Landing is gonna go BOOM. Thousands (if not millions) of people are going to die. Guess who’s gonna light the match? I’ll give you a hint: she’s a foreign invader. She’s also beautiful and empathetic, and she’s done some good things (because the villain is “the hero from the other side”) — and honestly, she’s the greatest fucken villain ever imagined for the simple reason that most of the GA doesn’t even see it coming (D&D are chuckling so hard rn) and GRRM is fucken brilliant!!
A song of ice and fire can relate to SEVERAL things but it isn’t Jon and Dany together. It’s the NK (ice) and Dany (fire). It’s two destructive forces closing in on Westeros — one from the north and one from the south. And if you’re so inclined, Jon, who is the SON(g) of ice (stark) and fire (targ) by HIMSELF.
And if GRRM was so hellbent on Targ restoration, why has he taken the painstaking time to school us all on what shitty (and inbred and crazy) rulers *MOST* of them were?
So again, YES, we are well aware of the fact that Jon is ½ Targ. But he’s also a Stark. And when Dany dies, so will the “old” Targ line, paving the way for Mr. Snow to lead the new, and less incestuous line — much like Henry Tudor when he squashed all that Lancaster/York/Plantagenet bullshit.
One of the really pleasureable aspects of George R.R. Martin’s epic fantasy series A Song of Ice and Fire is the rich world-building that infuses his story. GRRM’s story is typical of what Tolkien called a secondary world fantasy, which refers to a consistent, fictionary world that is in contrast to reality (x). His books contain a myriad of “historical” details that give the story an immersive depth. The recent companion book The World of Ice and Fire elaborates on this fictional world and is a must for any fan of the series. The companion book allowed for an elaboration of his fictional world as there are many aspects that he hasn’t found room for in the novels.
However, there is one piece of history that often is mentioned in the novels but that isn’t really elaborated on – yet. I am speaking of the Valyrian Freehold, or more specifically its Doom. Martin has promised that the exact cause of the Doom will be revealed in future novels but the companion book offers a number of interesting details.
The Doom of Valyria plays upon a popular trope: that of a fabled (often advanced) civilization that is destroyed through a cataclysm, often brought on by human decadence or hubris.
A story setting or legendary place doesn’t necessarily have to be Atlantis per se to tap into the myth fabric, but it can be any sort of lost civilization that had great achievements and then were mysteriously lost. (TVTropes)
It has its roots in the myth of Atlantis but there are countless variations, such as Mu, Lemuria and Númenor, which is Tolkien’s version of the Atlantis myth. The Doom of Valyria is, in many respects, Martin’s version of this pervasive myth – one that may turn out to have a narrative importance for the his main story.
There’s one aspect that I find particularly fascinating about the Doom. While the exact cause of the Doom is unknown, the sad remains of the Valyrian peninsula appears to have become a place that is haunted, a dangerous place where travellers are lost and where the land is permanently blighted.
It seems as though the land itself is cursed. Therefore, I think it could be interesting to frame the Doom of Valyria and its effects in terms of a magical pollution of the land itself.
‘The Starks have ruled the North in an unbroken (as far as we know) direct line for something like 8,000 years. They were kings while the Valyrians were still sheep farming in Essos.’ –Kelsey L. Hayes
I screamed!!
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