duchessofostergotlands:

”It was soon after she and Jack had first met that Princess Eugenie read The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald. One particular passage in which Jay Gatsby is described reminded her immediately of Jack.

She decided that she wanted eventually to let Jack know how much those words had brought him to mind. That is why they have had a special place (as the second reading) in today’s wedding service.”

– The Dean of Windsor’s address at Eugenie and Jack’s wedding

Impressed with Eugenie’s decision to show her scars and make a statement about no shame beautiful as you are etc. Way to go. The vibe around this wedding was light and sunny and so sweet (Jack crying as he waited for her the look on his face when he saw her) particularly compared to that other wedding. But oh the H and M dynamics the tension Harry turning to snobby looking MM and saying “Meghan!” and then Kate saying something. Tense. 16 days for this tour right?

Yeah, I really loved the top and fit of Eugenie’s dress. I was hoping for Vivienne Westwood, but this worked well too. 

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Yup! It’s a 16-day tour that starts in a couple of days. I haven’t seen most of the coverage from Eugenie’s wedding just the videos posted on the Royal Family channel, so I haven’t seen any of those moments from Harry & Megs. Doesn’t surprise me though.

Your prediction is coming true. You had said that if at all anything bad is to happen in October, it’ll happen after Eugenie’s wedding. Her wedding will pass peacefully. I’m very happy this is coming true and e&j are gonna get a peaceful Happy wedding. :)

Yup. I am quite eager to see Eugenie’s dress. Hoping for Vivienne Westwood like many others.

Harry begins his Rahu-Venus dasha next week on the 17th. I expect he’ll have some changes in how the public perceives him soon. The reason for this is because during his last Venus antar dasha–when he was running Mars-Venus from February 2005 to April 2006–had the Nazi photos come out in the UK tabs a few weeks before. Since his natal Venus is debilitated in the 10th house–the house of career, renown, and social interaction–I expect him to take a hit in the public eye, metaphorically, of some sort in the next few weeks or months. 

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The Royal Wedding of Princess Eugenie of York and Mr. Jack Brooksbank Online

lovingtheroyals:

People around the world will be able to watch the wedding of Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank live on The Royal Family and The Duke of York’s social media channels on Friday 12th October.

Live updates and material will also be released throughout the day and as well being broadcast live on ITV, people can follow The Royal Wedding on social media on:

Announcements on the day and information about the history of Royal Weddings can be found on the website here, The Wedding of Princess Eugenie and Mr. Jack Brooksbank.

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A live stream will be broadcast from 10am (BST) on the day of the wedding.

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On Twitter, followers can watch the stream on the Royal Family and Duke of York Live Twitter pages.

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Detailed announcements will be made and photographs will also be released on the day of the wedding here.

Harry will always be forgiven by the British public. When Meghan leaves, everyone will be like “I told you so, but at least you’re well rid now” lol. They’ll blame it all on Meghan and the BRF machine will be used to attack Meghan, just like they did with Diana and Fergie. Maybe they’ll tread more lightly this time, but Harry will always have the backing of his family and the public. Oh, and MM stans will blame everythinggg on the BRF and Harry.

anonymoushouseplantfan:

Very likely.

What some people and harry seem to keep forgetting is that protocol and tradition isn’t just there to be annoying and stuffy. Basically it goes like this. If you don’t act like a Royal they won’t treat you like a Royal and once they stop treating you like Royal, soon you won’t be one. If you become to much “we’re just like you” then they start to wonder “if your just one of us, why am I paying for all your shit”. 1/2

anonymoushouseplantfan:

Protocol is one of the many subtle way they signal to the public that they are “different”. If harry (and meg) continue to rebuff the protocol they will contribute to the crumbling facade of the Royal Family and it’s eventual demise. 2/2


Exactly! At this point, how is Meghan any different from Priyanka? She has a title and taxpayer funding and that’s it. 

And I think that’s why interest is flagging right now. What makes the royals interesting is precisely the fact that they have to follow all of these rules. It’s clear that Meghan is not subject to anything, so what’s the point.

I think even if Megsy used DoS post marriage, the US public (probably UK) would make fun of her (sans the sugar/stans), because it pretentious and not very “American” Lol so she can go ahead and try. Sure the media or her PR but it’ll eventually bite her in the ass much like what’s happening right now. 🙄 #wordsaladvomit

Meh. Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, used it quite a bit in the US when she was doing ads for Weight Watchers years ago. Back then people remembered she was part of royalty, and that was how she got endorsement deals to shill stuff.

this is the dope re: title. MM does not technically have a title Harry has one and she shares in it as his wife. At a divorce she loses title but can use “Duchess of Sussex” as her surname. Meghan Duchess of Sussex is her name. Just as you would be Mrs. Jane Doe if you divorced Mr. John Doe but no longer Mrs. John Doe. But she has no title. Harrys 2nd wife would share the title not an ex wife. But of course the US would ignore all that which is what Markle counts on.

Your last line there is key: “the US would ignore all that.” 

Exactly. 

Asking Americans to care about the difference between Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex, and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, is pointless. They’re not going to care because the important word of distinction to Americans is “duchess.” Americans are not going to care whether or not a definite article is placed before the word “duchess.” The fact that someone is using the word “duchess” in relation to someone is what is worthy of note.

No one in the US is going to stop Megsy going around calling herself Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. That girl will use it until she dies. 

Hold on, are they saying they told Eugenie to hold her engagement after Harry, meaning announcing after him in 2018? Or did they just let it slip that they knew he was going to marry Meghan and palace told Eugenie no wedding in 2017 but 2018 after Harry?

anonymoushouseplantfan:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6192941/Royal-insider-claims-Princess-Eugenie-planned-wed-YEAR.html

There were a ton of rumors in December 2016 about Eugenie getting engaged. Emily Andrews swore that it was going to happen.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/741569/Princess-Eugenie-ring-engagement-finger-royal-family-prince-andrew

They first blamed the delay on the Ivy Cottage repairs.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/766168/damp-bill-row-cold-water-Princess-Eugenie-dream-home-plans

The anon the person sent saying you can’t use a title unless you’re a UK citizen is wrong. The Duchess of Windsor never became a citizen of the UK. She always maintained her American citizenship for obvious reasons (the UK would never give her citizenship). And yet she was allowed to call herself the Duchess of Windsor by the King (and later the Queen). The UK doesn’t give titles like Dame or Sir to citizens of the US but if they marry into the family, it’s different.

anonymoushouseplantfan:

Thanks!

if it becomes an issue when it’s separate then how is it an issue with Doria? Harry and Meghan were going to take that car anyway, right? it’s not like Doria is getting her own car? just trying to understand

lovingtheroyals:

The “its an issue when it’s separate” line was about RPOs. Not about cars. So if Doria is standing away from Meghan at an event and has an RPO with her, that’s an issue. But if the RPO is with Meghan and Doria happens to be standing next to her, that’s fine.

The transportation thing, is another issue. Harry and Meghan’s travel is taxpayer funded when they’re at work because they are public representatives. Doria is not entitled to use those means of transportation. Harry and Meghan’s private vehicles that they use in their private time are not taxpayer funded and Doria could totally ride in one of those. So her riding in the car with Harry and Meghan is her using taxpayer funded means of travel which is not okay. What should have happened is that she should have arrived separately from them in one of Harry’s private cars. Does that make sense?

The RF are never going to release dirt on Meghan while she’s married to Harry. I think they’ve likely had long term strategy meetings instead. Most of it is how they can minimize the damage she can cause when the divorce inevitably comes. And that means giving her what she wants now so she can’t complain about them later. It’s the “but we welcomed her with open arms” defense. They’re not going to risk that by smearing her in the press. t’s not about the battle, it’s about winning the war.

anonymoushouseplantfan:

Exactly.

margaretroses:

My favourite dress of all […] was my first Dior dress, white strapless tulle and a vast satin bow at the back ~ Princess Margaret.


Christian Dior was absolutely fascinated by Princess Margaret. [This is] Princess Margaret’s actual dress. The waist is 21.5 inches, it’s absolutely tiny and she looked super glamorous. I think that’s the sort of look you hadn’t associated for a while with the British Royal Family. –
Beatrice Behlen, Fashion curator and historian at the Museum of London. Most notably, the Princess wore this dress in a set of photographs taken by Cecil Beaton for her 21st birthday in 1951.

(Princess Margaret: The Rebel Royal, BBC2)

I’m happy to see Doria there but can’t help but think all the fawning people are a little hypocritical for loving that she accompanied Meghan to an event but if Carole picks up George from school she’s labelled a schemer who just wants to get in the paper.

duchessofostergotlands:

Oh there are a ton of hypocrisies in the situation that I won’t list because people already know them but the thing that’s most troublesome is that she arrived in their taxpayer funded means of travel despite having no right to. She is not our representative. I love Doria but transparency about the spending of our unelected officials and trust between the public and the royals is a bigger thing than one individual and given that this is the third time in their relationship Harry and Meghan have misused taxpayer funds, I am sighing right now. I hate to be that person that drags everyone back down to earth but royals don’t exist to be cute and adorable. They have a job and as part of that job they have set terms that they have to stick by- letting your relatives who aren’t representatives of the country use taxpayer funded means of travel is not sanctioned and totally inappropriate. It was inappropriate when Chris O’Neill did it in Sweden and I called him out then, so I’m doing it here too.

Come on, really? Doria arrived on Tax Payer funds? You’re picking a fight with Harry and Meghan over nothing. The ride to the location would have costed the same with or without an extra passenger. Should they have had her mother walk and they drive over there? Pay for an Uber? What did it really cost anyone? a few bucks? She wasn’t riding on a private plane with them.

duchessofostergotlands:

Are you kidding right now? It was probably like a two minute car ride! Should Doria have walked?

I can understand if they travelled a long distance, but that car drove like…500 yards… It’s not that deep.

It doesn’t matter if it’s one penny or one million pounds. You don’t get away with misusing public funds just because you could theoretically misuse them in a more serious way. If something’s wrong you don’t excuse it entirely just because the person could have done something more serious. If I stabbed someone and they didn’t die they don’t say “well you could have killed them and you didn’t so we’ll just let you go free with no consequences.” (Yes that is a wildly exaggerated analogy but it works). This is definitely not a big enough deal to overshadow the whole event and I have posted separately about how great I think it was and how much I like this project in general but given that it’s part of a wider pattern of misusing public funds then yes, I’m going to mention it. I mention it when other royals do it so I’m going to mention it now. There is a clear understanding between the British people and the monarchy about what perks they get and what they do in exchange for those perks and this is not sanctioned within that understanding. If you can’t do something without misusing public funds then don’t do it at all. If they were that close, why didn’t they all just walk and avoid this whole drama? 

Harry can only climb as high as fourth on the succession list, but as soon as Will’s kids start families he will start a steady decline, a la Andrew. Like you and other anons have mentioned, it explains his desperate need for attention now and for the next 20ish years.

motherofbulldogs:

anonymoushouseplantfan:

I don’t know. I agree with the last anon. Yes, he will be replaced, but it will be in decades. This is kind of desperate.

More like 10+ years. The focus will quickly shift to the next generation. By the late 90s, Prince Andrew was an after thought.

From the beginning, I was in the No Child camp. Why? Because I can’t see The RF having a MARKLE 7th in line. Once M is gone, The RF will basically “Meghan” her and her family. If M has a child, “The House of Markle” will be a part of The RF . . . FOREVER. If there’s all this drama now, imagine what it would be like if M has a child. To add to that, PH will get one hell of a taste of Baby’s Mama Drama. FOR-EVAH.

anonymoushouseplantfan:

Good point.

Exactly! And this is why I said a surrogate would NEVER happen.

imho you vastly overestimate what the royals do, especially W,K. etc. 99% of their job is simply showing up, properly dressed, behaving themselves and it helps if they’ve read their briefing notes. The staff bureaucracy–which is huge–does 99.99% of the work. One of the organization’s I’m very familiar with is the Prince’s Trust. It’s a good organization, in spite of and not because of Charles. Brf is surviving by following orders of the smarter power structure which props it up.

anonymoushouseplantfan:

Oh, this is a very good point. Tons of stuff happens behind the scenes.

But the royals do have an effect. For example, I bet the new charity restructuring Charles is doing will be a complete disaster with Michael Fawcett as its head and less donations and appearances by the Prince.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-5483791/Charles-trusted-former-royal-aide-appointed-Foundation-chief-executive.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/01/prince-of-wales-charitable-foundation-halves-donations-in-past-year

True, but I suspect they’re restructuring since he’s not going to be Prince of Wales for two more decades.

Did Charles move to Clarence after the split with Diana? Because they lived together at Kensington right? And Diana lived at Kensington after the divorce? I’m just wondering if Charles would’ve stayed at Kensington until HM passed, if he and Diana had not divorced (thinking about Will staying out at Kensington until he’s on the throne)

duchessofostergotlands:

I did some research and Charles didn’t actually move to Clarence House until 2003. He moved after his grandmother- the Queen Mother- passed away and they finished refurbishments. Before that he lived at St James’s Palace. I can’t find a confirmation that he moved there after the divorce so if anyone knows, reply to this post!! I think his intention was always to move to Clarence House but I don’t know that for certain 

Isn’t Clarence House traditionally used for the heir to the throne? Then-Princess Elizabeth lived there with Philip, Charles, and Anne, before she became Queen. The Queen Mum lived there after George VI passed away. Charles moved to St. James Palace when he and Diana separated and lived there until he moved into Clarence House.

Do you think IF this tour is a major letdown, her sugars maniac following might decrease? And media reporters might finally start reporting that she needs major help with engagements? Basically what are your predictions if this tour is real letdown, coz I see a major possibility for that, due to main reason being no participation in engagements. It’s alright for 2-3 days to just stand and do photo ops, but maintaining public interest for continues 16 days without ANY participation is impossible.

anonymoushouseplantfan:

I think the hardcore sugars are here to stay, and I expect they will get more and more rabid as Meghan flounders. That has been my experience so far. 

I suspect the tour will be meh, but I doubt the media will report that she “needs major help.” Her problem isn’t that she can’t show up and shake hands. Her problem is that the planned tour stops mind-numbingly boring, the clothes are repetitive, monochrome and ill-fitting, and all she does is hold hands with Harry and pose. Yes, there’s always a chance that there will be a major disaster, but I doubt that as they will be surrounded by people whose main job is to keep that from happening. I think their main problem is boredom. Meghan is by far the most repetitive royal I have ever seen, and I used to bitch about Kate’s lace dresses nonstop.

When I think of what made Will and Kate’s first tour (to Canada) amazing, I remember how Kate picked Prince Edward Island based on the Anne of Green Gables books, and how professional she looked in her navy Smythe blazer (Canadian brand!) as they boarded the plane. The Cambridges positively embraced the official events, attending a citizenship ceremony, Canada Day, and the Calgary Stampede. Kate looked amazing in her recycled engagement dress and red maple leaf hat and she rocked the maple leaf brooch like nobody’s business. She wore Canadian Erdem freaking everywhere (tbh, they weren’t that bad back then), posed with Anne of Green Gables, and even dressed up like a Calgary cowboy. 

Yes, they had cute couple moments at the helicopter training, the French cooking classes in Quebec, and the sea dragon race, but what I remember most about this tour was that it was a celebration of Canada, including its natural beauty, history, and diversity. LOL, and the “Marilyn moment,” of course.

Kate launched her tour with a bang, with sources telling the DM that she’s personally chosen Prince Edward’s Island because she loved the Anne books. I remember this causing quite a stir at the time and this is still one my favorite parts of their Canada tour.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/beloved-anne-of-green-gables-beckons-the-duchess/article2084268/?from=sec431

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-royal-consorts-royal-request/article598927/

It’s a stark contrast to the Harkle schedule release, which left people scratching their heads as to why they’d picked some of the stops and why they were skipping out on Invictus. I’ve been wondering why I have such a strong feeling that this tour will be a dud, and I think the underwhelming release of the schedule is part of it. This does not feel like a celebration of Australia, or event the Commonwealth. It feels like a celebration of Meghan and Harry.

”Or it may have something to do with the wedding gown exhibit,which starts in October”.Oh,yeah That makes a lot of sense,I think she made another ‘BespokeGivenchy dress’ to attend the opening of the Exhibition with the Queen,Just as Kate did when she exhibit her wedding dress,H&M will go on the Tour on the 16th,so her engagement with the Queen will be a little before,to Hype the Tour and Harry ‘Commonwealth Job’ and MM ‘New Commonwealth role’ PR push

anonymoushouseplantfan:

True. OMG, I just realized that Meghan’s exhibit will be at Windsor DURING Eugenie’s wedding. That must be why they did it there instead of BP. 

No, it will be AFTER Eugenie’s wedding. That exhibition doesn’t start until October 26.

https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/whatson/page/1

so no wedding dress display at BP in central London for the Megsy dress? I really thought that dress was such a huge disappointment for a royal wedding gown. Then the 30 yds of mosquito netting. With colonialist symbols of all the former colonies on it. So politically sensitive. LOL Best to send it to the burbs at Windsor and then Scotland. But will the homeless be cleared out again when the dress comes to Windsor?

anonymoushouseplantfan:

I don’t know why she didn’t get BP.  Charles’ exhibit ends on September 30th, so she didn’t get bumped for that.

 Because Windsor Castle is open to the public year round. Buckingham Palace is not.

I think this is as you said the post wedding tour. Harry is majorly competitive with William and often demands a quid pro quo whenever Will gets anything. I expect Harry MM to be marginalized slowly but surely after this tour. Kate will be back and the real royals will be the focus. The two celebs will visit “youth” and plant trees in tiny commonwealth nations.

anonymoushouseplantfan:

Yes, I realize that, and I see how the big wedding and splashy tour feeds into that. But I’m still baffled by the Commonwealth Youth Ambassador title and the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust and the canopy. His “big” fundraisers have been for Sentebale and his wedding charities were small and many of them non-UK.

 Yes, it all looks like the same thing Will and Kate did, but it’s very different in substance. Will and Kate did a lot of fundraising for their foundation during their first year and then they went on to establish a strong charity base in the UK. They built a strong platform and developed their own institutions. Harry is not doing that. Heck, he’s compromising his strong Invictus platform to go plant trees for the canopy. 

William is building relationships with the UK business community. Harry is merching for Givenchy, and sucking up to the Clooneys and Lin-Manuel. Kate is extending her patronage to legacy UK museums, while Meghan is selling Jess’ crap Canadian brands.

I don’t think he will be marginalized. I think he already is being marginalized with these non-UK “positions” and “events.” This is what they’ve traditionally done with all of their problem family members.